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powerjack
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 Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:18 am Post subject: Need Hymn developer to contact me directly |
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I tried emailing at the address indicated here for 'hymn,' but it bounced.
I need to be contacted by the developer of Hymn or JHymn, or both, immediately, please. I have a commercial project to discuss with you. Please do not PM me, as I will likely not be back to this forum. Please email to me directly at jack@dvforge.com
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Jack
CEO, DVforge, Inc. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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The following was sent to me in a private message. My answers are inline.
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To: Hymn and JHymn developers
Re: Possible development project
HI,
I will be vague about the specifics leading to the following question. But, I do have a specific question for you. The answer is central to what conceivably become a multi-million dollar project.
If you had unrestricted (and sanctioned access) to all developer info for WMA DRM from Microsoft, and no direct information from Apple regarding iTMS DRM, are you capable of developing a utility that would allow a Mac OS X user to directly convert an iTunes library of iTMS DRM songs to a folder of WMA DRM songs?
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Yes, I am quite capable of developing such a utility.
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If so, could the architecture of the utility be built to be essentially impervious to attempts to pull out the songs, while they are being processed, so as to guaranty reasonable security in going directly from one DRM format to the other DRM format?
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All DRM is breakable. "Reasonable security" is too vague to warrant further response. Furthermore I don't look at it as "security". I look at it as an attempt to limit a consumer's rights.
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I am investigating the feasibility of what could quickly become a funded commercial project, in which our company would play one role, among several much more recognizable companies involved in the project, including Microsoft (by their supplying the needed specifications of the WMA DRM format).
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Congratulations.
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Will you answer my question. And, are you interested in and available to undertake the task I have described, assuming, again, that it will proceed under a direct sanction from Microsoft and at least two tier-one consumer electronics manufacturers?
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I have answered your questions. I am not interested, nor will I ever be interested in such a project. Clearly you haven't read anything I've written or you wouldn't have asked.
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And, while I have no leverage with which to enforce such a request, I ask that you keep the existence and content of this note in confidence, please?
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No, I will not.
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Thanks, and take care.
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You're very welcome.
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Jack Flash, J.M.P.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Here's his billing address. I think you should charge him for ripping him a new one.
DVForge, Inc.
Jack Campbell (jack@macmice.com)
+1.6158229270
Fax: +1.6158222790
130-C Volunteer Drive
Hendersonville, TN 37075 |
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FutureProof
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Gee. I told him no too. I was fairly blunt about my reasons. I didn't, however, go this hard on the guy.   |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Jack is rather notorious in the Mac world. While it's perhaps not fair to call him an outright con artist, he's a 'business ideas of questionable legitamcy'-artist. |
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PuhLEEZ
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:18 pm Post subject: Call 'em as I see 'em |
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| Call a 'spade' a 'spade'... The guy's a scumbag. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| hymn wrote: | The following was sent to me in a private message.
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All DRM is breakable. "Reasonable security" is too vague to warrant further response. Furthermore I don't look at it as "security". I look at it as an attempt to limit a consumer's rights.
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And, while I have no leverage with which to enforce such a request, I ask that you keep the existence and content of this note in confidence, please?
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No, I will not.
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Apparently, this interest you have in consumer's rights seems logically disconnected from the rights people enjoy to privacy (even Jack, someone with whom I personally wouldn't do business, your mileage may vary, etc.).
Someone sends you a private email, off the forum, and not on a public mailing list, and you post it publicly?
Nice one. I look forward to another lecture from you about individual rights. |
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anne nonimous
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| If the message is unsolicited, as it appears to have been, I'm guessing you don't have much of a right to expect any privacy. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Anonymous wrote: | Someone sends you a private email, off the forum, and not on a public mailing list, and you post it publicly?
Nice one. I look forward to another lecture from you about individual rights. |
Since you asked for a lecture, here it is.
I have made it quite clear all over these forums and in the documentation for hymn exactly how I feel about DRM. If Jack had read any of it and had a brain, he wouldn't have asked me to work on his sketchy project in the first place. Instead, he sees the hymn project, thinks of his own, and like a cartoon character with dollar signs it his eyes, can't help himself except to write to me and try to recruit me.
Now let's ask a two other questions:
(1) Did he and I have an agreement to keep our communications non-public?
The answer is a resounding "No." For all he knew, I had a script that would instantly publicize any private message I was sent. He had never made contact with me. He just assumed that I would keep his message private.
(2) Why would he want his private message to me kept secret?
This is the larger question. My guess is that Microsoft and the other unnamed companies wanted it private. And for that reason, I made it public. I think it's important for people to know that many companies want a piece of this (in my opinion, illegal) DRM pie.
Bottom line: Unless we have an agreement otherwise, it is my right to publicize any communication that involves me. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| anne nonimous wrote: | | If the message is unsolicited, as it appears to have been, I'm guessing you don't have much of a right to expect any privacy. |
Absolutely untrue. Copyright applies, and what Hymn has done is a clear violation of Jack's copyright (whatever one might think of Jack personally). Which is not surprising, given his/her Newspeak regarding DRMs and the breaking thereof. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| hymn wrote: | | Did he and I have an agreement to keep our communications non-public? |
Actually, yes. Copyright confers upon Jack, by mere fact that he did not authorize the publication of his message, all presumption of privacy. Whether you agree to it or not does not confer upon you the right to violate Jack's copyright. |
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ScottEllsworth
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:50 pm Post subject: Privacy clue - goes both ways |
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I usually expect a private message to remain private. I probably would have kept this guys unsolicited message so, even given what I think of him. That said, you have no _right_ to privacy on an unsolicited message. You only have a reasonable expectation with most email, unless we agree on it.
Even a quick, informal "I got a new project - I will tell you about it if you can keep a secret. Ok?" before spilling the beans is enough, but it is worth getting for a real secret.
This is why I ask first before sending something in confidence. Those fax or email messages saying "this is for the intended recipient" that go to the wrong place, or to a public mailing list just tick me off.
A common intro message similar to the ones I have used in the past would be something like:
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I am planning on a commercial product which could use technology from HYMN. Interested in being a part of it, or at least hearing the pitch?
Be warned, it is under NDA, and will remain so for a few years. Will this be a problem?
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It usually works - people not interested in being a part will usually let me know right away.
Scott |
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Nonesuch
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:56 pm Post subject: You tell 'em |
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| hymn wrote: | Now let's ask a two other questions:
(1) Did he and I have an agreement to keep our communications non-public?
The answer is a resounding "No." For all he knew, I had a script that would instantly publicize any private message I was sent. He had never made contact with me. He just assumed that I would keep his message private. |
I would say that he also made the assumption that dangling dollar signs in front of you ("mutl million") would dazzle you enough that you would do all the work for him so he could rip you off. This guy is litigious and has questionable morals as many folks who have had business dealings with him have discovered. Your response to his email was not only entirely appropriate, but wise and morally justifiable as well.
| Quote: | (2) Why would he want his private message to me kept secret?
This is the larger question. My guess is that Microsoft and the other unnamed companies wanted it private. |
You give him too much credit. According to his usual modus operandi, he has likely not contacted MS or any other company at all. After all, the moment he does, anyone would realize that they don't need him in any particular.
| Quote: | And for that reason, I made it public. I think it's important for people to know that many companies want a piece of this (in my opinion, illegal) DRM pie.
Bottom line: Unless we have an agreement otherwise, it is my right to publicize any communication that involves me. |
Don't expect Jack to agree. He has an inflated sense of his own understanding of the law and is likely to consider the request for privacy binding even in the abscence of your agreement. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Privacy clue - goes both ways |
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| ScottEllsworth wrote: | | you have no _right_ to privacy on an unsolicited message. |
Again, this is untrue. Copyright prohibits anyone else from republishing your message without permission. Now, it is true that you can, within the limits of Fair Use (in the US) make limited quotation from the message, for specific purposes. And you can summarize the contents, of course, restating things broadly in your own words. But you do not have the right to republish the message in its entirety, or even substantially, without permission. |
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Nonesuch
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: Not really. |
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| Anonymous wrote: | | Actually, yes. Copyright confers upon Jack, by mere fact that he did not authorize the publication of his message, all presumption of privacy. Whether you agree to it or not does not confer upon you the right to violate Jack's copyright. |
Sorry, but Hymn is right, see item 10:
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html |
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